ship bound for Japan leaving Middlesbrough Feb 1897

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Re: ship bound for Japan leaving Middlesbrough Feb 1897

Postby teesships » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:21 pm

I'm wondering about the COLINA listed as sailing on the 25th. Might this have been the former Donaldson passenger ship, built 1872, but sold in 1895 (without change of name) to Edward Watson of Glasgow? She lasted only until the following year, 1898, when scrapped at Genoa.

The problem is there was another COLINA, built 1879, which I think would be engaged only in short-sea trading UK and Europe?

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Re: ship bound for Japan leaving Middlesborough Feb 1897

Postby magoonigal » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:51 pm

Haws has the Donaldson ship as Cargo only when sold to Edward Watson, but are we assuming the vessel we are loking for was Passenger/Cargo. COLINA had a speed of 12.5 Knots.......................was that fast enough to do the jorney in the time.

The 1879 Colina was owned by Robert Irvine & Co, Harbour Dock Yard, West Hartlepool.
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Re: ship bound for Japan leaving Middlesbrough Feb 1897

Postby magoonigal » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:08 am

Answering my own question, 12.5 Kts= say 250 miles a day. Distance 12,000 miles say 48 days. But she would have to go via the Cape so the extra 30 Days would probably work out ok.
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Re: ship bound for Japan leaving Middlesbrough Feb 1897

Postby northeast » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:53 pm

But it was not uncommon for deep-sea ships to load the 'bottom cargo' of steel and fertilisers for example on the Tees, then go to London to top up with the lighter manufactured goods.
Paul, why do you say via the Cape, Suez would be the expected route in 1897? Your 12.5 knots might be ambitious.
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Re: ship bound for Japan leaving Middlesbrough Feb 1897

Postby magoonigal » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:36 pm

Total ignorance of when the Suez Canal opened, George. :oops:

It opened in 1869 so the route would be about 11,500 miles and well within the capabilities of a 12.5 knot ship in the time allowed.
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Re: ship bound for Japan leaving Middlesbrough Feb 1897

Postby northeast » Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:05 am

Both of these vessels were owned by Rankine of Grangemouth and were essentially short-sea traders dunning from the Forth via East Coat to Rotterdam and Amsterdam, no way would they ever have made a journey to the Far East.
The company is listed part-way down this page
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/feeders4.shtml
I think we are rather at a dead-end in finding a direct sailing ex M'bro on the exact date you mention. So maybe he did go to R'dam on one of these ships and then transferred to a deep-sea vessel.
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