Floating Oil Storage vessel C.95

Floating Oil Storage vessel C.95

Postby northeast » Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:24 am

Just had attaention drawn to the following article. Does anyone kow more? There are several yard nos. missing from the Doxford list around this time.

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/opi ... -1-8174109
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Re: Floating Oil Storage vessel C.95

Postby fitter » Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:37 pm

Don't know if this is of any help. Its from Doxfords register of ships. Its a large old ledger and difficult to scan.
Notice the comments halfway down the page for 1915 "Also 4 TBDs and 15 barges" then "No returns made to press (WAR)" The Torpedo Boat Destroyers were Brown Curtis turbines built under licence at Doxfords. I THINK !!!! Curtis were an American Company and Brown was John Browns who were licenced to build them in Britain
Dox 1915.JPG

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Re: Floating Oil Storage vessel C.95

Postby Whickham » Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:53 pm

I think, your I think, is correct and Doxford had a sub-licence from John Brown.
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Re: Floating Oil Storage vessel C.95

Postby northeast » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:17 am

The '15 barges' yn 491-505 were X-craft and all accounted for on the Sunderland website.
The vacant yn's that I have for 1914-1916 are 460, 462, 464, 477 and 479-482, I am wondering if the floating tank storage 'vessels' were maybe in that later range, does the Doxford ledger offer any help on this?
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Re: Floating Oil Storage vessel C.95

Postby fitter » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:07 am

George
The ledger doesn't show any entry for 477, 479,480,482 but it does record 481 as Clan Macmaster with "This vessel later sold through B.J. Sutherland to Clan Line."
My own yard list, from various sources, lists these as follows:
477 Contract cancelled. Cassion. Later built by Shorts and a comment under the engine field as "South Dock" I assume that this was simply a cassion for Sunderland's South Dock.
479 C95 Submersible Oil Store. There are no details, no date other than 1915 and a note that says "No Owner"
480 Contract Cancelled
481 Sutherland (Clan Macmaster) ON140696 Byron S.S. Co; 24.02.1917. R&W triple expansion. It appears in the ledger only as Clan Macmaster, not to be confused with the turret ship "Sutherland" built in 1901, yard number 284 which, according to Grey and Lingwood was captured by a submarine and sunk by gunfire 17.1.1916 192 miles off Malta
482 Contract Cancelled

Because my yard list the product of four lists from different sources, with some contradictions between them, I use them with caution. On a large computer print out that was produced at Doxfords, 477, 479, 480 and 482 simply have blank spaces where ship names should be and 479 on this print out simply has "Cancelled."

460 Hesperos
462 Pontoporis
464 Tuscan Prince

I would be quite happy to send you scans of the relevant pages from the ledger if you need them.
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Re: Floating Oil Storage vessel C.95

Postby northeast » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:00 pm

Thanks Tom, on a closer look I do have those y.n.'s apart from C.95 which I can now allocate as 479.
The full Doxford list is on our Sunderland site

http://www.sunderlandships.com/list.php ... ilder=4007

I see now that I need a y.n. for AGINCOURT 1863 (barque) if you can find her in your lists.
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Re: Floating Oil Storage vessel C.95

Postby fitter » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:43 pm

George.
I have yard number 1 as Golden Sunset. I have 42 ships built before that at Coxgreen (near present day Nissan factory), either by Doxford, Stothard and Boyd or later by Doxford and John Crown at Southwick. Doxfords opened their five berth west yard in 1870 and the first ship their was Amy, and I have this as yard number 38 in December 1870.
The 42 ships that predated yard number 1 have no yard numbers attached so for the sake of computer sorting I have numbered Hesperia ( for E Jarvis, Salcombe in July 1874),the ship prior to Golden Sunset as -1 and the earliest recorded ship William and Catherine ( for William Doxford in April 1837 as yard number -42)
Agincourt that you asked about, I have as yard number -6 for Cator, London in January 1863
The minus prefixes are purely my invention to maintain sequential order on Excel spreadsheets
I have attached a copy of my list for what its worth. I have one source that claims the first ship at the west yard yard was -17 the Ann Taylor built in 1858! So you must be careful about whom you trust.
Please bear in mind that my lists are the work of an enthusiast not an authority and because of the many conflicting records that I have, I have often been "Confused.tom" Any corrections would be most welcome. Use this information as you please. the more that see it the better the chance of it becoming accurate and reliable. This list was compiled in 2006 and nothing has been done to it since then.
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Accuracy must be a pre requisite, not an optional extra!!
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Re: Floating Oil Storage vessel C.95

Postby northeast » Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:21 am

Many thanks for this list, Tom ...truth is that the Sunderland site so far concentrated mainly on powered vessels post-1870 and the earlier vessels mainly sail are being added 'as and when found', this list should allow me to check and add a few more!
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Re: Floating Oil Storage vessel C.95

Postby northeast » Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:34 am

Looking through what we already have from your 'minus' list
TRAVELLER, DERWENT, ELIZA ROBSON all Doxford & Crown
ISLAND QUEEN, S. Hodgson, Pallion
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Re: Floating Oil Storage vessel C.95

Postby E28 » Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:36 pm

I hope this is useful and relevant.

The NMM have a single plan from Doxford dated 1913.
The description is for a Cylindrical Petroleum Barge or a Cylindrical Petroleum Submersible, the latter being somewhat of a giveaway.

Congratulations to Whickham Dave on your promotion here. You can't hide behind that big red moniker now unlike us lesser minons.
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