OSTERHAV

OSTERHAV

Postby Tony Frost » Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:16 am

In the river Ribble on the wayy to Preston
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ex.OSTERLAND
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Re: OSTERHAV

Postby CLYDEBRAE » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:00 am

Maintaining channel depth was a persistent problem throughout Preston's time as a commercial port. The photo, no doubt dates back to August 1933. "Osterhav" was a regular trader to West Coast ports, including Preston, and on 10th August 1933 she grounded about 100 yards from the Bull Nose, at the entrance to Preston Dock, on a voyage from Uleaborg. The Lancashire Daily Post reported as follows:-
"Strenuous efforts are being made to refloat the Finnish turret shp "Osterhav"...This morning (11th August) the vessel had been moved about a ship's length since yesterday and she is being unloaded to make her lighter for this afternoon's tide. The dock tug "Perseverence" is standing by and it is hoped to have the "Osterhav" docked this evening....Her cargo comprises 160 standards of plasterers laths, 120 standards of other timber, 46 tons of paper and 3220 tons of wood pulp, a total of approximately 4000 tons."
It looks as if attempts to dock her that evening failed as she is only reported as being arrived on Saturday 19th August, departing on 26th August for Ellesmere Port with balance of cargo.
On another voyage from Rauma to Ellesmere Port she struck rocks, in thick fog, near Freswick, North of Wick on 28th March 1936. She was able to free herself, and beached in Sinclair Bay. She was later pulled off and towed to Cromarty Firth where, I believe, she was demolished some time later, in 1938.
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Re: OSTERHAV

Postby northeast » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:36 am

She ended up at Stockton for breaking

http://www.sunderlandships.com/view.php ... =OSTERLAND
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Re: OSTERHAV

Postby teesships » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:04 pm

John and George,

All very interesting, so thanks to both.

.... broken up at Stockton-On-Tees by South Stockton Shipbreaking Co. Ltd.
A web search shows this is an oft-used phrase .... but, presumably, South Stockton refers to what is now Thornaby on the opposite, Yorkshire, bank of the River Tees?

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Re: OSTERHAV

Postby northeast » Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:04 pm

Ron, see map here, what we now call Thornaby was certainly South Stockton after the time the railway came through from Middlesbrough, and when the racecourse was established

http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/place/21082

I think old Thornaby village was/is a bit further upstream, eventually it merged into South Stockton and came out tops with its name

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thornaby-on-Tees

Of course it's also famous as the place my mother was born (although she rarely admitted it, being a Redcar stalwart... )! Also the birthplace of Grace Pace, mother of James Cook.
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Re: OSTERHAV

Postby CLYDEBRAE » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:05 pm

Thanks for further comments - in the back of my mind I thought I had seen a reference to being broken up at Stockton but didn't think of referring to Sunderlandbuilt. Having gone ashore in March 1936 it looks as if she was only towed off successfully at the beginning of September, being towed to Cromarty Firth where discharge took place. On 8th July 1938 - over two years after grounding - the Aberdeen Press & Journal reported that demolition of "Osterhav" would commence once work on "HMS Natal" was completed, and a further reference was published in The Scotsman on 20th August 1938 stating breaking up of the "Osterhav" had commenced at Cromarty. For whatever reason, she must have moved to the Tees subsequent to these reports.
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Re: OSTERHAV

Postby CLYDEBRAE » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:43 am

Was she broken up on the River Tees? "
"thecromartyarchive.org" have two photographs - one shows her beached off Marine Terrace and the other has a caption commenting she was brought into the firth in 1937 with damage to the port side. It refers to her being beached in front of the Cottage Hospital and refers to her being moored to a "large concrete block and ring by the Bayview Crescent Slipway" - this block still exists. It then states she was broken up "over the next 18 months"
The website (canmore.org) for the National Record of the Historic Environment, part of Historic Environment Scotland, outlines the historic record of HMS Natal, from the time there was an internal explosion on board on 30th December 1915, whilst at anchor in the firth. She sank in 8.5/9 fathoms of water with the loss of 405 lives. Canmore records she was sold by the Admiralty to the Stanlee Shipbuilding and Salvage Co of Dover. In 1926 she passed to the Upnor Shipbuilding Co, without further work being done, Canmore reporting the company folded in the same year. Getting to the point, Canmore reports she passed into the hands of the Middlesbrough Salvage Co in February 1930, and, they in turn, were reported, in July 1932, as likely to go into liquidation. In February 1937 the salvage contract transfers yet again, this time to the South Stockton Shipbuilding Co. Canmore reports the intentions of both the Middlesbrough Salvage Co and the South Stockton Shipbuilding Co were to recover selective non ferrous metals. The article published in The Scotsman in August 1938 not only refers to the "Stockton on Tees Salvage Co" breaking up the vessel at Cromarty but also states that they "will transfer the material from the vessel by the steamer "Disperser" to Stockton. Earlier articles suggest if the "Osterhav" could have been made seaworthy, she would have been used to convey recovered material from HMS Natal, presumably to Stockton, but can see no reference to this having happened.
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Re: OSTERHAV

Postby CLYDEBRAE » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:46 am

To be clear, the reference to the "Disperser" relates to transferring material from the demolition of the "Osterhav" undertaken by the Stockton company.
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Re: OSTERHAV

Postby northeast » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:48 am

From all you have found, it does indeed seem that the SS company demolished her as she lay, presumably having sent manpower up to Cromarty.
I have amended the entry on Sunderland-built site.
Many thanks for your persistent digging to get to the truth!
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Re: OSTERHAV

Postby northeast » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:04 am

Further info from Miramar re DISPERSER confirms this
Built 1912, 287gt as a small US steamer at Wilmington, Delaware
1915 LIMPET, Royal Navy (what usage?)
1922 T.I.C LIMPET, Tyne Improvement Commission (photos anyone?)
1937 DISPERSER, South Stockton SB Co. so would have attended at OSTERHAV demolition
1945 UK Government (after war service?)
1947 P. Bauer, Aberdeen
Broken up 05/1953.
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