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Robinson Brown & Joplin

Postby Whickham » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:10 am

I have been asked if I have any information on the Newcastle company Robinson Brown & Joplin. I understand that they may be(or have been) shipbrokers. They come up on Google as handling quite a few KIL class patrol boats after WW1. Anyone know anything more about them?
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Re: Robinson Brown & Joplin

Postby northeast » Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:04 pm

Yes, I don't know about Joplin, but Robinson, Brown were managers (likely owners) for Brown Shipping Co and also 'T' Steam Coasters and they bought several of the KIL class gunboats in 1920 and converted them to cargo ships, ran them for some years then sold them on.
Other Tyne owners were also involved.
If you go to this page and run through the KIL's (720-756) you will find them. Of course they may have had some from other yards as well.
http://www.teesbuiltships.co.uk/smiths/ ... 161929.htm

For 'T' Steam coasters, non-KIL's include QUAYSIDER, TYNESIDER (and WEARSIDER when done) which can be found on a certain Whickham-based website.
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Re: Robinson Brown & Joplin

Postby Tynesider » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:36 pm

Maybe wrong, but was that the same George Brown who was the founder of The Brown Tug Co Ltd in 1923.
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Re: Robinson Brown & Joplin

Postby Whickham » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:24 am

Thank you both for your replies. The same George Brown? Don't know.

No mention in Proud's book but he does say that George Brown started his tug business in 1888 and converted into a "Ltd" in 1923. He died in 1925 at the age of 89 (nearly as old as Kevin :twisted: ).
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Re: Robinson Brown & Joplin

Postby magoonigal » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:01 pm

Dave, I think we are talking about TWO different Firms.

1) JOPLIN & HULL.
15 Queen Street, Newcastle.
Fleet List.
1) ALWINTON. 1920-23. Ex KILLYBEGS Smith's Dock, 1918.
2) BEBSIDE. 1920-22. Ex KILDANGAN, Cochrane, Selby, 1918.
3) BENTON. 1920-22. Ex KILCHATTAN, Cook, Welton & Gemmell, 1918.
4) BOLAM. 1920-22. Ex KILBERRY, G Brown & Co, Greenock, 1918.
5) EMBLETON. 1920-23. Ex KILDYSART, Smith's Dock, 1918.
6) LUCKER. 1920-22. Ex KILBEGGAN, G Brown & Co, Greenock, 1919.
7) MITFORD. 1920-22. Ex KILDARE, Cochrane, Selby, 1918.
8) MAXTON. 1920-22. Ex KILGOBNET, Smith's Dock 1918.
9) NAWORTH. 1920-22. Ex KILLOUR, Smith's Dock 1918.
10) SCOTSGAP. 1920-22. Ex KILBRIDE, Hall, Russell & Co, Aberdeen. 1918.
11) SEGHILL. 1920-22. Ex KILMACRENNAN, Smith's Dock, 1918.
12) STANHOPE. 1920-22. Ex KILDARE, Smith's Dock, 1918.
13) TARSET. 1920-22. Ex KILBURN, Hall, Russell & Co, Aberdeen, 1918.
14) THROPTON. 1920-23. Ex KILLINEY, Smith's Dock, 1918.

Purchased by Joplin & Hull. 1, 5, 14.

Purchased by B Burletson and placed under the Management of Joplin & Hull. 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11,12, 13.

Robinson, Brown to follow.
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Re: Robinson Brown & Joplin

Postby magoonigal » Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:12 pm

ROBINSON, BROWN & COMPANY.
Mercantile Chambers, Quayside, Newcastle upon Tyne.
"T" Steam Coasters, Ltd.

1) COASTER. 1906-1934. Built Wood, Skinner 1903.
2) JAMES TENNANT. 1906-1934. Built Wood, Skinner 1893.
3) LEDA. 1906-193?. Built by Rogerson, Newcastle 1864.
4) SODIUM. 1906-1917. Built Wood, Skinner 1887.
5) T. W. STUART. 1906-1928. Built Wood, Skinner 1904.
6) TRADER. 1906-1912. Built Wood Skinner, 1904.
7) ARTIFICER (1) 1907-1914. Built by Hepple & Co Ltd, South Shields. 1907.
8) STAPERAYDER. 1906-1911. Henderson, Coulburn & Co, Renfrew. 1866.
9) QUAYSIDER (1). 1909-1913. Smith's Dock, North Shields 1909.
10) TYNESIDER. 1911-1934. J P Rennoldson & Sons, South Shields 1911.
11) WEARSIDER. 1912-1914. J P Rennoldson & Sons, South Shields 1912.
12) TRADER. 1913-193? Built by Smith's Dock Co. Mbro. 1910.
13) QUAYSIDER. 1913-1936. Built by J P Rennoldson & Sons. South Shields 1913.
14) FREIGHTER. 1913-1935. Built by Smith's Dock Co Ltd. Mbro 1910.
15) GLENBROOK. 1914-1935. Hepple & Co Ltd, South Shields, 1909.
16) GLENCONA. 1914-1917. Hepple & Co, South Shields, 1907.
17) GLENROSE. 1914-1935. Hepple & Co, South Shields, 1908.
18) ARTIFICER. 1914-1936. Dundee Shipbuilder's Co Ltd. 1905.
19) WEARSIDER (2). 1915-1925. C Rennoldson & Co, South Shields. 1915.
20) MASTER. 1916-1917. C Rennoldson & Co, South Shields. 1916.
21) MULTISTONE. 1919-1934. Smith's Dock, Mbro. 1910.
22) NORTHERNER. 1920-1929. Cook, Welton & Gemmell, Beverley 1919 as KILCLOGHER.
23) SOJOURNER. 1920-1936. Camper & Nicholson Ltd, Gosport. 1920.
24) DEMPSTER. 1920-1928. Smith's Dock, Mbro. 1918 as KILDORREY.
25) RYTONER. 1920-1925. Colby Bros, Ltd Lowestoft. 1920.
26) BOMBARDIER. 1920-1933. Smith's Dock, Mbro. 1918 as KILCHRENAN.
27) CROFTER. 1920-1929. Smith's Dock, Mbro. 1918 as KILMAINE.
28) CURLER. 1920-1933. Smith's Dock, Mbro. 1918 as KILLOWEN.
29) EASTERNER. 1920-1933. Smith's Dock, Mbro. 1918 as KILHAM
30) FALCONER. 1920-1931. Smith's Dock, Mbro. 1918 as KILKEEL.
31) SORCERER. 1920-1933. Smith's Dock, Mbro. 1918 as KILDARY.
32) SOUTHERNER. 1920-1933. Smith's Dock, Mbro. 1918 as KILDIMO.
33) SPINNER. 1920-1928. Smith's Dock, Mbro. 1918 as KILCOCK.
34) SUNNYHILL. 1923-1924. N V Scheep. v.d. Windt, Vlaardingen, 1922.
35) GLEDHILL. 1923-1927. J L Thompson & Sons, Sunderland 1894.
36) GLEDBURN. 1925-1934. Rennie, Ritchie & Newport SB Co Ltd, Wivenhoe 1920.
37) ENGINEER. 1929-1936. Akties. Lodese Varf, Lodese. 1915.


Vessels Managed on behalf of the British Government.

1) ECHO. 1917-1919. 1883. Completed by Stavanger Steberi & Dek, Stavanger.
2) URD. 1917-1919. 1880. Completed by Gotebergs Mek Vaerks, Gothenburg.
3) VLIESTROOM. 1917-1919. 1912. Completed by Van Vliet & Co., Hardinxveld. Holland.

Brown was T. E. BROWN.
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Re: Robinson Brown & Joplin

Postby Whickham » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:28 am

Thanks Paul

Aah BUT

In "Ships of the Royal Navy: The Complete Record of All Fighting Ships of the ..." By J. J. Colledge, Ben Warlow

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=WfOD ... in&f=false

They list the KIL Class boats as sold to Robinson Brown & Joplin
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Re: Robinson Brown & Joplin

Postby magoonigal » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:59 am

I wonder then if Robinson, Brown & Joplin was a short term Joint Company set up between them in order to buy the "Kil" boats and redestribute them between the two.

As you can see Joplin and Hull were only in existance for three years.

The Information is taken from a number of Local Fleetlist Books compiled from original source documents by a Member of the Tyneside Branch many years ago.
Here's one of the entries in more detail.

KILBERRY.
9.1918: Completed by G Brown & Co., Greenock as the coastal minesweeper HMS KILBERRY.
1920: Converted into a cargo ship. Purchased by B Burletson, renamed BOLAM and placed under the management of Joplin & Hull.
1922: Management taken over by R. H. Hopps, Sunderland.
1922: Sold to Reed. Johannes Ick G.m.b.H. Germany and renamed GLOBUS.
1926: Sold to A. Norman-Karsen, Norway and renamed LYNG.
30th January 1928: Wrecked at Brigg Head, whilst on passage from Aalesund to Hull with Herrings.

Certainly Joplin & Hull appear to be "Managers" rather than Owners, however some of the "Kil" were listed as bought by them.

Ohhhhhhhhhh for a Tardis!!
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Re: Robinson Brown & Joplin

Postby Whickham » Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:24 am

Thanks for all your help on this Paul. Much appreciated.

I'm sure parts of Hebburn are in a time warp, so perhaps we can find a Tardis there :twisted:
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Re: Robinson Brown & Joplin

Postby northeast » Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:23 am

.... and a sherry-drinking Doctor Who :lol:
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